02
Mar
10

Operation Petticoat

Sigh…

According to published reports, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has signed off on allowing women to serve aboard United States Navy submarines.  What could possibly go wrong?

“This is fundamentally a Navy initiative, which they recently briefed to the secretary of defense. (Gates) supports it and he notified Congress of the Navy’s plans,” Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said.

For the record, AW1 Tim loves women.  I had a mother, 5 sisters, a wife  and two daughters. I would, however, still disapprove of them serving aboard submarines.  The problem has nothing to do with competence, and everything to do with close quarters and hormones. Imagine having to share a single bed (literally: aboard submarines and some smaller surface vessels, enlisted crewmen share bunks in a practice known as hot-bunking) in an already-cramped berthing compartment.  Space is already at a premium, and the effort, both physically and financially ro provide for separate accommodations, plus shower and head facilities goes right off the charts.

The US Navy thinks that it can ameliorate the problems, at least initially, by assigning the women to Boomers, and ensuring that they are all officers.  Officers and CPO’s have separate compartments, so some of the problems will be initially taken care of.  However, it will also deprive male officers, already in the system towards becoming submarine officers, of billets and may impinge on their career paths.

The overall problem the Navy faces, however, is with the cancer of “Diversity”. Leadership has become enthralled with the failed policies of diversity and through forced implementation,  is destroying the morale and fighting edge of the Navy.  The Diversity officers found in every command are rapidly becoming the new Zampolits, and woe be unto anyone who falls afoul of their diktats.

It isn’t about race or sex or anything else. No one in today’s modern military gives a damn about such things.  Rather, the Diversity Industry is forcing it’s failed policies in places where they are not needed, nor desired. The only thing that our Navy ought to be concerned with when it is looking for recruits is this : “Bring in the best and the brightest”. If it results in a fleet that is entirely female and black, then so be it. However, to mandate racial & gender quotas is the worst form of descrimination, and, frankly, is illegal, though no one in DoD seems to grasp that.

Well, enough. Our Navy is at war, and rather than trimming up the fleet and training for war, we are engaged in silly political actions designed to appease the Diversity Bullies in Millington. In a just world, that entire command would be defunded, turned out, and every man-jack of them sent to sea for an extended tour.

Oh… Operation Petticoat. Those of a certain age will remember it. I do.  🙂

A Pink Submarine. Sigh.

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10 Responses to “Operation Petticoat”


  1. 1 SCOTT the BADGER
    March 2, 2010 at 01:11

    You know, that top parts of attack periscopes on PACFLT subs were painted pink for a time during WWII, as it was believed that at a distance, pink tended to blend in with the horizon.

    As to sending the Diversity types to sea, I doubt that there is a Sailor in the whole pack. Just get rid of them. The USN is a tool for force projection, not a medium of social change.

  2. 2 Joec
    March 2, 2010 at 02:22

    Its funny “Pink Submarine” is coming up again. I just watched that movie a couple weeks back (for the ??? time, I have it in my collection) and a few Cary Grant, John Wayne, and others WWII movies.

    Although it is ‘possible’ to suppress the natural tendency of couplings when opposites are thrown together, the ‘probability’ is high that those couplings will occur anyway, along with all the bitter jealousies, rumors, and innuendos. Even officers have hormones and even the fear of the wrath of ‘unbecoming behavior’ is probably NOT enough to eliminate the possibility.

    I posted on “In from the cold” blog as comments to a pending Air Force court-martial:

    “As the navy has found with “friggin’ in the riggin'” so the other services seem to (re)discover a fact of nature. Put men and women together in tense circumstances and sex happens. I am still waiting for the adults to finally admit that there is no stopping the spooning behind the barracks, just come up with a better way of dealing with it.”

    IT. IS. GOING. TO. HAPPEN. And smashing with a NJP or court-martial sledge will just make interested parties more apt to find ways to avoid that fate, while ruining the morale of those not fortunate to participate. Single sex crews is the only way. Period.

  3. March 2, 2010 at 02:30

    Coed Knox Class frigates were not huge successes either.

    • 4 SCOTT the BADGER
      March 2, 2010 at 03:47

      Nothing co-ed has worked shipboard, despite the claims of the Diversity types. The missions have been carried out, but I doubt that it would have worked as well as the proper single sex crews would have carried it out.

  4. 5 Diane
    March 2, 2010 at 03:48

    Between this and the push to repeal ‘don’t ask-don’t tell”, my Dad (an old school Navy Vet) is most likely rolling over in his grave. sigh…

  5. March 2, 2010 at 18:36

    I agree with that Tim… this has “disaster” written all over. Gee… how many months after this policy is implemented will we start seeing the fruit of this decision???

  6. 8 jimmyt394
    March 3, 2010 at 20:33

    Tim, I despise all the social engineering that is happening with the military, the DADT that is pushed on the military from the political class, to simply garner points from the Lefties. I really don’t care if someone is gay or straight if they can pull their weight, get the job done, but to have it thrust on the enlisted class for no other reason than politics is pure horse crap. If the enlisted had been surveyed and there were indications from that they were ready for this, then fine.

    As for women, I am still bitter from my days as an AX with a Sea/Shore rotation of 60/24. While that gave me lot of seasoning and fodder for my blog (http://voicefromthenoise.blogspot.com/) it was by no means fair. Recruiters back then were putting females into the AX rating simply because “computers” were part of the description of the duties. I feel for all the bubbleheads who I am sure are being screwed with shore duty as a gate guard. But how do you stop them, the Admirals are hell bent to put their fingerprint on this even if it is a bad idea all around.

    Why don’t they go to Congress and say they will integrate Females into the submarine service just as soon as they pony up a couple of hundred billion dollars for a new class of SSN and SSBN that is designed from the ground-up to accommodate the co-ed crew. Including an expanded Sick-bay to include birthing modules, incubators and breast pumps, you know for creamer.

    BT: Jimmy T sends.

  7. 9 Quartermaster
    March 5, 2010 at 00:30

    Hey, I loved Operation Petticoat. I even have the movie in my collection. The movie worked because the situation was plausible at the start of WW2, but was obviously meant to be just a temporary situation until they could offload the Nurses into a more normal situation.

    The current “efforts” at putting women on subs simply shows the Navy ceased being a serious organization when they did away with the WAVES (and the same with WAC, WAF, SPAR and WM).

    I do like Coed, particularly when the other part is my wife, but YMMV.

  8. April 24, 2010 at 04:53

    When it comes to fighting, boys do not act the same when girls are present as when they are not. I thought everybody knew this.


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